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Male user Sahiphopza 1 post

I don’t believe the lethal injection is cruel, but i do agree with it being unusual

 
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Male user Fcarrillo 1 post

One must always view the constitutionality of the crime, not just the moral theme.

 
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Male user jagdishkumar9 1 post

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Female user Sophia Addison 2 posts

As the country is shocked by another messed up execution, a capital barrier legal advisor in Texas, a lawful researcher in New York, and the previous superintendent of San Quentin conflict with the death penalty.

There were just three individuals in the room: Jeanne Woodford, the clergyman, and the man tied to a gurney with tubes leaving his arms. Subsequent to hearing the man’s last words, Woodford flagged the prison guard who was “working the chemicals,” which implies in jail patois that he began imbuements of deadly chemicals that streamed into the man on the gurney. As superintendent of California’s San Quentin, Woodford directed this cutting edge custom of discipline four times. After a stretch as Executive Director of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, she quit to end up plainly Executive Director of Death Penalty Focus, the abolitionist association that supported the 2012 SAFE choice trying to supplant capital punishment with existence without any chance to appeal. In spite of the fact that the submission neglected to pass, Woodford is still working diligently in the development to cancel the death penalty in California.You also get this through Research paper outline

 
Getty rf photo of cat and praying mantis Campi 227 posts

Well I do not see men in orange working around town and know most prisons would rather cut guards they pay for them to supervise community service.

 
Male user frydd666 22 posts

Campi, The military used to use prisoners for things like cleaning up highways. Ft. Riley had a place called a Retrain Brigade. This was like the last chance before Leavenworth prison. I have seen them out picking up trash along the highways and there was always an MP car there and an MP or 2 usually with shotguns. Sadly, I guess part of the new Army, they closed it down several years ago. I cannot say how effective it was, but I do know those boys weren’t molly coddled. Someone told me they were only allowed to go out 5 miles from post, but I saw them a lot farther out than that. Once they were dropped off, they went out and cleaned the highways of trash and when they were done, a truck came and got them and took them back.

 
Getty rf photo of cat and praying mantis Campi 227 posts

Well I still think taking an island and letting them loose there while guarding the waters would be a good solution. If they live or die would not matter as long as they do it on their island let them come up with their rules and own society and have cameras on the island so that we can not only monitor them but also broadcast it as a form of big brother or some kind of reality TV show. Then every month air drop in supplies. This would be very cost effective after the facility is acquired and the only upkeep costs would be the security. Then every country from around the world could place their condemned here and we would split the costs so many ways that they would be a fraction of what the current cost is. We could brain storm all day long but sadly until there is clear unwavering discipline given across the board that disregards race, social status, or influence dealing out punishment will be unjust. Then until we catch every criminal for every crime the justice system will not be a true deterrent because people will think they can get away with whatever they are planning and or just plan better. The death penalty should be given out for EVERY murder that can be proven 100% and then any other suspected murder or man slaughter should be given a flat time like 50 years. Then while we are on the subject the current prison system is a joke it’s a place to store people away from others. They need to be made to contribute to society in some way while the tax payers are footing the bill. They should use them to tear down derelict buildings and clean streets. They should do the jobs everyone says needs done around the town but the cities say they just don’t have the man power.

 
Male user frydd666 22 posts

Campi,
Damned good response! I agree entirely. As a friend of mine once said, the death penalty is a necessary evil. I agree that as long as humans are in control of something like this, there will always be unjustness and corruptibility. The debate will always go on. I think the issue is when feelings are involved. We are taught it is wrong to take a life, yet we will do it in the name of war or justice. I too believe in the death penalty. I also am sure there have been people put to death innocently, however, the alternative is just as true. I am also sure there are people out there that have committed murder and have gotten away with it. The system is not without it’s flaws, but I have not seen anything or heard anyone come up with anything better. The anti death penalty people will say it is up to God to determine if these persons are guilty or not, however, how many of them would be willing to say that if it was their child or loved one that was horribly murdered? Yet, we have those hardliners that would have no problem with hanging a person without worrying about getting all the facts in first. I think this is an unwinnable argument, and until someone can come up with a better idea, then we will just have to deal with it. I also agree that there is no real way to kill someone humanely. I have heard horror stories about all the different ways to execute people. The needle infiltrates during lethal injection, the gas takes to long to work in the gas chamber, the person caught fire in the electric chair or the first jolt didn’t kill the person and several jolts had to be administered, or the head was torn off during the hanging. The fact is, there is no good way to execute someone. There is always the potential for problems. We try to be civilized, but mankind is still, inside, and animal. we always will be. Contrary to what some believe, killing is in our nature and always has been. We try to become more civilized and do things better, but being human, we are still fallible and we do make mistakes. That doesn’t mean we need to just give up. It means we need to realize that there are some things we are just not real good at, and killing another human being is one if them. It goes against our religion (however, as you stated, we have killed millions in the name of religion and are still doing it) as well as against our upbringing. I think this is also a major reason we have so many vets out there with PTSD and many psychological issues. They have done something that they have been taught is fundamentally wrong on all levels. In cases where we take another person’s life, we are putting ourselves in the place of God, and we do not do so good trying to fill his shoes, but again, it is something that I strongly feel is a necessary evil. Without it, our society would decay into complete chaos and anarchy. What happens when there is not more room to put a person in prison for murder? Where do we put them? People say build more prisons, but don’t build it where live. So it is indeed a major dilemma. The prisons are over crowded now and it isn’t getting any better. Who do we release? Which criminal is safer to put on the streets? We can put the local dope dealer out there and he will happily sell drugs to your kids, we can put the sexual offender out there, and he may rape your wife or child, It goes on and on. We can put the old alcoholic out there since he is not violent, but what happens when he gets drunk and has a wreck and kills an entire family? This issue gets bigger all the time. Some politicians are trying to fix it, and for that, I do truly thank them, but it is not an easy fix by any means. As you stated, putting a man or woman in jail for the rest of their lives is killing them, but doing it very slowly and yes, the cost to the tax payer is enormous. Like it or not, they still have certain rights. I do not begrudge them their rights, they are still human beings, but the tax payer pays for these rights. Now we also have the mentally ill people in jails and prisons to worry about. I read someplace that to be considered mentally retarded, a person’s IQ has to be 70 or less. There are many people in prison or jail with IQs of 70 or below. You do not find an up and coming Albert Einstein in jail. So this adds to the strain. The plain truth is, the legal system in this country is not well and we are struggling with it daily. Maybe one day the perfect solution will come along, but I highly doubt it. if it were me on death row, I would think it was cruel and inhuman also. That is just the survivor instinct coming out, but reality is, what else do we do with them? I damned sure don’t want a Jeffrey Dahlmer or Ted Bundy in my neighborhood. from what I have seen, compared to some of the other methods of execution, I do feel that we have come a long way in trying to make the execution as painless as possible, and that is better than some of those being executed did for their victims.

 
Getty rf photo of cat and praying mantis Campi 227 posts

The sad truth is no matter what method people will try to find a fault or flaw and will appeal and drag out their death because let’s face it. I would too. I do not fear death but I do not seek it either. I have heard and seen many ways people have been put to death over my studies of history and my years of reading pretty much whatever I can get my hands on. There is no real way to kill anything that cannot be contested as cruel just because the definition of the word and that fact that having your life snuffed out before natural death is something no one wants done onto themselves. Sadly the world we live in one must take life to keep theirs going. Some argue that’s its possible going vegan but you kill the plant to eat it or even if you eat only fruits and nuts your ending the life that could of been of a potential plant. We can justify killing lesser animals and plants easily. Killing another of our own species gets into not only psychological but also spiritual issues that bring peoples reality into question. When you start mixing in beliefs and religion you enter into areas where people will fight and get violent even kill in the name of (kinda funny no?). So when dealing with an issue like this no one will agree and the only thing left is compromise which will leave both parties unhappy. This debate will go on for as long as life itself still takes place. Sadly I can see both sides of the coin and sadly neither is right. Putting a man/woman in jail for the rest of their life is basically killing them. Then they are just a burden on society. There is no good answer and I thought about typing out the arguments myself so I wouldn’t have to listen to them again but open dialogue is good. So I am for death penalty and say that if it is proven 100% guilty with undeniable proof such as unaltered video or untainted triple checked forensics they should have a death house at the court house and all should get the same punishment no exceptions, no excuses, no mitigating circumstances. But the truth is as long as people control anything it will become either corrupt or unjust and we are left with the mess we have before us now.

 
Horn toad Transporter 41 posts

LOL. I like it Campi

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